[Craic] FW: The Curious Case of Empathy - When Elon Musk sat down with Joe Rogan in late February 2025, listeners expected the usual

Sun Mar 9 18:26:01 PDT 2025

Sadly. the Beatitudes must have been redacted in Trump's recently published
version of the Scriptures.

On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 7:35 PM Greg Gillis via craic <
craic at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Thank you David as the times get darker and narcissists like Musk and
> Trump draw down on their attacks on the vulnerable we need to mobilize even
> further. Hopefully, the resistance grows and people demand justice for the
> poor!
>
> In peace
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 12:01 AM Dwyer Sullivan via craic <
> craic at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Thank you David. tremendous article and so true. Empathy is seen as a
>> weakness and Musk and Trump act on their lack of empathy. Scary since it
>> seems easy for some to fall for and live by. More reason to seek out and
>> follow Jesus' love of the poor.
>> Peace, Dwyer
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 10:58 PM David Walsh via craic <
>> craic at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
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>>> In this essay, Ashe (CPI's executive director) explores the implications
>>> on the current "war on empathy" surging within right wing commentary.
>>> The Curious Case of Empathy
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>>> When Elon Musk sat down with Joe Rogan in late February 2025, listeners
>>> expected the usual: bold predictions, irreverent humor, maybe an offbeat
>>> riff on AI or Mars colonies. Instead, Musk launched into a diatribe against
>>> empathy itself. Calling it "the fundamental weakness of Western
>>> civilization," he warned that society was suffering from "civilizational
>>> suicidal empathy." Borrowing a phrase from Canadian academic Gad Saad, Musk
>>> claimed that empathy was a "bug" in our moral software—one that was being
>>> "weaponized" to manipulate well-meaning people into embracing
>>> self-destructive policies.
>>>
>>> Musk wasn't speaking in a vacuum. His argument echoes a growing
>>> conservative push to vilify empathy—not as a misguided emotion, but as an
>>> existential threat to civilization itself. This sentiment is echoed by
>>> figures like Ben Shapiro, who popularized the refrain "Facts don't care
>>> about your feelings," and theologians at Desiring God, a conservative
>>> Christian ministry that has gone so far as to label empathy a sin. The
>>> claim isn't just rhetorical; it's philosophical. According to these
>>> critics, empathy subordinates reason to emotion, leading to poor
>>> decision-making. This idea gained traction in 2016 when psychologist Paul
>>> Bloom published Against Empathy, arguing that empathy is biased,
>>> irrational, and an unreliable guide for morality. In his view, ethical
>>> action should be based on rational compassion rather than emotional
>>> identification.
>>>
>>> But why now? Why, in an era of compounding crises—climate collapse,
>>> grotesque inequality, refugee emergencies, pandemic aftershocks—has empathy
>>> become the scapegoat? The answer lies in both psychology and politics:
>>> empathy, if fully embraced, demands an ethical reckoning that threatens
>>> entrenched power. And for those invested in maintaining the status quo,
>>> that's a deeply inconvenient problem.
>>> The War on Feeling
>>>
>>> For years, empathy has been dismissed in right-wing circles as naive,
>>> weak, or sentimental. When Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, leader of the
>>> Episcopal Diocese of Washington, publicly implored Donald Trump to "have
>>> mercy" on immigrants and transgender youth, the backlash was swift and
>>> vicious, reframing her appeal as manipulative emotionalism. In political
>>> discourse, we see this rhetorical inversion everywhere: immigration debates
>>> depict desperate families as invaders, healthcare discussions reduce the
>>> sick to cost burdens, climate policy treats those suffering from wildfires
>>> and hurricanes as collateral damage.
>>>
>>> This isn't random. By casting empathy as a flaw, conservative political
>>> actors create psychological distance between the public and the human
>>> consequences of their policies. When suffering is framed as inevitable—or
>>> worse, deserved—policies that actively worsen suffering become easier to
>>> justify.
>>>
>>> The timing of this anti-empathy surge isn't coincidental, either. In the
>>> digital age, suffering that once remained conveniently distant now floods
>>> our consciousness daily. The sheer scale of it triggers what psychologists
>>> call empathic distress overload—our emotional systems simply shut down to
>>> protect us from constant exposure to trauma. The conservative critique of
>>> empathy offers a seductive escape hatch: it doesn't just provide permission
>>> to disengage from suffering; it rebrands disengagement as moral clarity.
>>>
>>> But there's something even more calculated at play. As demographic
>>> shifts and social movements increasingly challenge traditional hierarchies,
>>> empathy itself becomes politically dangerous. When members of dominant
>>> groups truly feel the pain of the marginalized, the moral bankruptcy of the
>>> existing order becomes impossible to ignore. Attacking empathy constructs a
>>> firewall—one that protects the status quo from the transformative change
>>> that genuine connection might demand.
>>> Supremacy, Disgust, and the Neuroscience of Dehumanization
>>>
>>> To understand why attacking empathy is such a potent strategy, we need
>>> to turn briefly to neuroscience. Humans possess a troubling cognitive bias
>>> known as infrahumanization—the subconscious tendency to see out-group
>>> members as less human than those in our own group. This bias is closely
>>> tied to the disgust response, a deeply ingrained survival mechanism that
>>> can be exploited to override empathy entirely.
>>>
>>> Studies show that when people experience disgust toward a particular
>>> group—immigrants, the unhoused, drug users—their medial prefrontal cortex
>>> (mPFC), the brain region responsible for recognizing others as fully human,
>>> literally becomes less active. This means that rhetoric designed to elicit
>>> disgust doesn't just change opinions—it can rewire our perception of who is
>>> worthy of moral concern. It can rewire who we—at a pre-conscious
>>> level—recognize as fully human.
>>>
>>> This dynamic has been weaponized with terrifying effectiveness. Nazi
>>> propaganda compared Jewish people to rats. During the Rwandan genocide,
>>> radio broadcasts called Tutsis cockroaches. Today, right-wing rhetoric
>>> deploys similar tactics in a more insidious form: immigrants as "invaders,"
>>> drug addicts as "zombies," the unhoused as a "plague." Each of these
>>> framings dampens the natural empathic response, making it easier for people
>>> to justify cruelty.
>>>
>>> This is where Musk's argument about empathy as weakness becomes
>>> particularly dangerous. If empathy is a flaw, then the suppression of
>>> empathy is not only permissible—it becomes a moral imperative. The logic
>>> undergirding history's greatest atrocities has always rested on this
>>> premise: that some people's suffering is less real, less urgent, less
>>> worthy of concern.
>>> The Sleight of Hand: Selling "Compassion" as a Substitute
>>>
>>> One of the more sophisticated aspects of the anti-empathy movement is
>>> that it doesn't just encourage detachment—it offers a substitute product.
>>> Conservative critics aren't rejecting all forms of kindness; they're
>>> redefining it. Their 'rational compassion' is selective—it preserves
>>> existing power structures by keeping suffering at a safe distance, offering
>>> controlled sympathy instead of transformative solidarity.
>>>
>>> You see this in religious spaces—such as Desiring God's argument that
>>> Christians should practice compassion but reject empathy—and in secular
>>> ones, like Bloom's push for rational compassion over emotional
>>> identification. The common thread? Maintaining distance and control. These
>>> frameworks allow the privileged to feel charitable without risking genuine
>>> transformation. They preserve the power to decide who is worthy of care and
>>> under what conditions, ensuring that compassion never becomes disruptive.
>>>
>>> By contrast, true empathy destabilizes power. It doesn't allow for
>>> comfortable, detached charity; it demands recognition of shared humanity
>>> and shared responsibility. This is why the right-wing push against empathy
>>> is so intense: not because empathy is weak, but because it is powerful.
>>> Beyond Mere Feeling: From Empathy to Solidarity
>>>
>>> Yet, even as we defend empathy from its detractors, we must acknowledge
>>> its limits. Empathy alone is insufficient. It is biased—favoring those who
>>> look like us. It is manipulable—prone to being swayed by compelling stories
>>> while ignoring statistical suffering. James Baldwin put it most succinctly:
>>> "People can cry much easier than they can change."
>>>
>>> The real work, then, is not to abandon empathy but to move through
>>> it—toward compassion, and ultimately toward solidarity.
>>>
>>> *Empathy *is the capacity to feel with another person – to resonate
>>> with their emotional experience and imaginatively enter their perspective.
>>> It involves both affective connection (sharing feelings) and cognitive
>>> understanding (grasping another's situation).
>>>
>>> *Compassion *is the ethical commitment to alleviate suffering, rooted
>>> in recognizing others' inherent dignity. While empathy can exhaust us by
>>> mirroring pain, compassion combines care with sustainable action –
>>> suffering *with* others while maintaining the capacity to respond.
>>>
>>> *Solidarity *is the political act of dismantling the systems that
>>> produce suffering in the first place. It moves beyond individual charity to
>>> collective action, transforming "helping others" into standing alongside
>>> them in shared struggle for structural change.
>>>
>>> While empathy asks, "How does it feel?" And compassion asks, "How can I
>>> help?" Solidarity asks the far more radical question: "How do we change the
>>> structures that create suffering in the first place?"
>>> Reclaiming Empathy's Power
>>>
>>> Elon Musk calls empathy a bug in our moral code. In reality, it is one
>>> of our greatest evolutionary advantages—a force that binds communities,
>>> ignites movements, and topples empires. If empathy is under attack today,
>>> it is not because it is weak but because it is dangerous to those who rely
>>> on division and hierarchy to maintain power.
>>>
>>> If we seek a path forward, we must begin by actively counteracting the
>>> infrahumanization process. Brain studies reveal something powerful:
>>> deliberate cultivation of empathy toward out-groups can actually rewire our
>>> neural pathways. Programs that bring together refugees and longtime
>>> residents, formerly incarcerated people and suburban families, or LGBTQ
>>> youth and conservative faith communities consistently show profound
>>> results—not just in changing minds, but in literally reactivating empathic
>>> neural networks that propaganda had suppressed.
>>>
>>> But individual empathic experiences alone won't suffice. To be
>>> meaningful, empathy must be tethered to concrete ethical commitments.
>>> Feeling moved by climate refugees means little without advocating for
>>> climate justice. Empathy for racial injustice becomes performative without
>>> sustained action against systemic racism. This is how empathy evolves into
>>> compassion—when emotional understanding transforms into ethical
>>> responsibility.
>>>
>>> The final step—solidarity—requires something even more challenging:
>>> recognizing our own implication in systems that cause suffering. This means
>>> examining uncomfortable questions about our own biases, privileges, and
>>> behaviors. Reflective practices allow us to move beyond the catharsis of
>>> feeling bad into the harder terrain of doing better.
>>>
>>> This three-step progression—from empathy to compassion to
>>> solidarity—offers a framework for ethical action that neither abandons
>>> empathic connection nor stops at emotional response. It acknowledges
>>> empathy's limitations while harnessing its power to drive meaningful change.
>>>
>>> The conservative attack on empathy should be recognized for what it is:
>>> not a principled philosophical position, but a desperate attempt to
>>> preserve power in the face of shifting demographics and moral awareness.
>>> The very fact that empathy has become a target reveals how threatening
>>> genuine human connection is to those invested in maintaining the status quo.
>>>
>>> The challenge before us is clear: to resist the seductive pull of
>>> detachment and turn empathy not into a retreat, but into a revolution. At a
>>> time when those in power work tirelessly to sever human connection, the
>>> radical act is to insist that we still feel. Not a revolution of mere
>>> sentiment, but a revolution of practice—one that transforms how we relate
>>> to each other and how we organize our society. In the face of calculated
>>> attempts to dampen our capacity for moral concern, cultivating empathy
>>> becomes not just a personal virtue but a political necessity.
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