<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Art;<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">From my perspective, it is already too late to deny the fact that climate change is happening. </div><div class="">We discussed this topic in Geomorphology 101 when I was an undergraduate. Our soils classes not only taught us how soils are different, but how they can change over time due to climatic influences.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If one does not believe the “science”, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence: fires / floods / thawing permafrost / shifting climatic zones / desertification / etc. Stories are just as valid as theoretical models - as we know from reading the Gospels.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My family are farmers and they can tell stories of, for example, how much the date of the first frost has changed in the past 50 years. </div><div class="">When I first visited P.E.I. in 1971 they did not grow corn as fodder for their dairy herds. Now, every dairy farm grows corn AND climate change is one of two factors involved in this. The other factor involved is genetic science, which has enabled corn to mature in a shorter growing season.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are there anthropological causes of these changes in Earth’s climate? </div><div class="">That debate is over with for most people, BUT I recognize that not everyone agrees.</div><div class=""><b class="">Even so, what if we all were to co-operate and reduce human-caused carbon inputs to the seas and atmosphere of the Earth? </b></div><div class="">Would there be any harm in doing so?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In our United Church of Canada “New Creed” (below) we not only affirm our belief in an evolving creation, we also affirm that one role for the church is to:</div><div class="">“Live with respect in creation”.</div><div class="">First Nations people also have respect for Earth as a part of their spirituality.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Since all of life on Earth is inter-connected, our actions in reducing our impact on Earth will mean positive outcomes for everyone, no? That’s why I am involved in environmental action groups, and have little interest in debating who is right, or wrong.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Stay hopeful;</div><div class="">Allan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class="">We are not alone,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> we live in God’s world.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> We believe in God:<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> who has created and is creating,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> who has come in Jesus,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> the Word made flesh,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to reconcile and make new,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> who works in us and others<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> by the Spirit.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class="">We trust in God. </div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class="">We are called to be the Church:<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to celebrate God’s presence,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to live with respect in Creation,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to love and serve others,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to seek justice and resist evil,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> to proclaim Jesus, crucified and risen,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> our judge and our hope.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class="">In life, in death, in life beyond death,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class=""> God is with us.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">We are not alone.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 15px; caret-color: rgb(66, 66, 66); color: rgb(66, 66, 66); font-family: "Open Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> Thanks be to God.</div></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 6, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Arthur Blomme <<a href="mailto:art@integralshift.ca" class="">art@integralshift.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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</p><p class="">Science that can't be questioned is dogma and not science. Over
the years I have switched back and forth between believing and not
believing Al Gores climate change thesis. What can we ever know
for certain?<br class="">
</p><p class="">Promoters of climate change dogma in my experience never address
the concerns of so called climate change deniers which include one
of the activist founders of Greenpeace.</p><p class="">Some of the points that I have never heard addressed are: <br class="">
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<li class="">Past data shows that there is a correlation between carbon and
temperature but correlation is not causation. </li>
<li class=""> climate change predictions are based on models which have to
be proven by real world data and there is lots of real world
data that do not support the models. eg. the highest
temperature in London was 30 or 40 years ago. (working from
memory)</li>
<li class="">anecdotal extreme weather accounts, often cherry picked are
not scientific evidence and do not prove model predictions.<br class="">
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</ol><p class="">I wish the promoters of climate change would be more concerned
with addressing these issues rather than with seeking doctrinal
purity of Al Gores global warming thesis.</p><p class="">At any rate Peterson does not fly around the world in his private
jets as do the Davos crowd who hypocritically say they will save
us from climate disaster if we obey without question. Its not
what we say that causes environmental destruction it is what we
do. I think that our biggest concern at present should be the
social Darwinist inclinations of the billionaire class. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Calling Peterson a Nihilist is especially rich. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Art<br class="">
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irresponsible,’ say experts trying to avert disaster.</p><p class=""> <a href="https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/09/05/Jordan-Peterson-Climate-Crisis-Denier-New-Mouthpiece/" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/09/05/Jordan-Peterson-Climate-Crisis-Denier-New-Mouthpiece/</a></p>
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