[Sundaycommunity] People Progress January 10,2021

Sat Jan 9 06:44:14 PST 2021

Brian,

Your posts seem to be extracts (copy/paste) directly from FB page "The Poem of Man God by Maria Valtorta” tidied up for formatting.  It would be helpful if you made your source clear to the community.  

An internet search for "Maria Valtorta” reveals lots of pages, a large number of which are likely monetized and making money per click.  She is now a business enterprise for a certain sector of the Catholic Church today and I am sure she would be absolutely horrified if she knew that this was happening (she died in 1961). 

Here is an extract from Wikipedia explaining the Church’s view on her writing.  I also include a link to the page for whoever would like to understand more about this.  Wikipedia is not the greatest academic source on the planet but it was hard to find something else quickly.  It will do for the moment.

Holy See's reaction to publication: Regarding unauthorized publication

On 16 December 1959, the Congregation of the Holy Office ordered the 4-volume work entitled "The Poem of the Man-God" placed on the Index of Forbidden Books. Pope John XXIII approved the decree and directed that the condemnation be published. The decree was then promulgated by the Holy Office on 5 January 1960.[15] The decree was published also in L'Osservatore Romano of 6 January 1960, accompanied by a front-page article under the heading "A Badly Fictionalized Life of Jesus".[2] After publication of a second edition by the same publisher, the Vatican newspaper republished the content of the decree on 1 December 1961, together with an explanatory note.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in his letter 144/58 of 31 January 1985, entrusted to Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, the decision whether to inform a priest of his archdiocese that the Valtorta work had indeed been placed on the Index, which keeps its moral force, and that "a decision against distributing and recommending a work, which has not been condemned lightly, may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful". Cardinal Siri not only informed the priest, but also published (with the name of the priest removed) the text of Cardinal Ratzinger's letter.

Again in 1983, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote to Bishop Raymond James Boland of Birmingham, Alabama, in response to a letter a member of Bishop Boland's diocese had sent to him. He recalled the notes that the Congregation had already issued for the guidance of the faithful and that had been published on various numbers of L'Osservatore Romano, and he stated that his Congregation had requested the Italian episcopal conference to ask the publisher to have a disclaimer printed in the volumes that "clearly indicated from the very first page that the 'visions' and 'dictations' referred to in it are simply the literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin."

By then, the Italian Bishops Conference had already carried out the Congregation's request: in letter 324/92 of 6 January 1992, it recalled the notes about the matter that had appeared on L'Osservatore Romano of 6 January 1960 and 15 June 1966 and it requested that "in any future reprint of the volumes, each should, right from its first page, clearly state that the ‘visions’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Valtorta <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Valtorta>

It is important to understand the context, especially in this case, and the context is certainly not that she speaks for the Church.

What concerns me most though is that by posting continually from Valtorta’s Poem, especially in response to something like John’s recent post on the “work of Christmas” or Maryanne and Roberto’s reflection on baptism in PP, is that you seem to think that Valtorta’s musings trump their thinking and ideas.  Do you?  It is a good thing to have an open exchange of ideas and discussion on topics within the community but I believe it should be that - open.  Quoting mysteriously from unattributed sources and seeming to imply that they bear weight within the Church is not a fair way to go about this.

Maria

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:35 AM, Brian Shaughnessy via Sundaycommunity <sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
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> HIS COMMENT ON HIS BAPTISM BY JOHN
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> "John did not need any sign for himself.  His soul, presanctified in his mother's womb, possessed that penetration of supernatural intelligence that all men would have had if Adam had not sinned.
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> John was the lips, I the Word.  He was the Precursor both in the Gospel and in martyrdom.
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> But a sign was necessary for the darkness of other people.  On what would John base his statement, but on an undeniable proof evident to the eyes and ears of backward and dull listeners?
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> He descended Himself, a divine Dove, on Him Who was to baptise men with that Dove, and His announcement was heard descending from Heaven, more powerful than an angel's, because it came from My Father:  "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased".  So that man should have no excuse or doubt in following or not following Me.
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> The manifestations of Christ have been numerous.  My miracles are manifestations of My divine nature.  My fatherland was full of My manifestations.
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> And they take place even now.  But, as in the past, the world does not accept them.  It does not accept the present manifestations and forgets the past ones.
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> Well, I will not give up.  I will repeat Myself..
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> Do you know, Mary, what I am doing in showing you the Gospel?  Making a stronger attempt to bring men to Me.  You yearned for it with your fervent prayers.
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> I will no longer confine Myself to words.  They tire men and detach them.  It is a fault, but it is so.  I will have recourse to visions, also of My Gospel, and I will explain them to make them more attractive and clear.
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> I give you the comfort of seeing them.  I give everybody the possibility of wishing to know me.
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> And if it is of no avail, it does not matter.  Let them, the inconvertible ones, heap burning coals on their heads and let us turn to the little sheep seeking to become acquainted with their Shepherd.  It is I and you are the staff leading them to Me."
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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 5:06 PM Maryanne Stone-Jimenez via Sundaycommunity <sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca <mailto:sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca>> wrote:
> Dear Sunday Community,
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> Happy New Year!!
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> Please find attached the People Progress for this Sunday January 10.
> 
> A special thanks to Helena for information on the historical Jewish context regarding the meaning of immersion. 
> 
> Paz y bien
> Maryanne & Roberto
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