[Sundaycommunity] People Progress January 10,2021

Sat Jan 9 15:51:55 PST 2021

Maria di Paolo and Lucia:

How can you say for sure this is NOT JESUS ?  :)

        Brian S.

aptYLJC,Twbd,ttM

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:44 AM Maria di Paolo via Sundaycommunity <
sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Brian,
>
> Your posts seem to be extracts (copy/paste) directly from FB page "The
> Poem of Man God by Maria Valtorta” tidied up for formatting.  It would be
> helpful if you made your source clear to the community.
>
> An internet search for "Maria Valtorta” reveals lots of pages, a large
> number of which are likely monetized and making money per click.  She is
> now a business enterprise for a certain sector of the Catholic Church today
> and I am sure she would be absolutely horrified if she knew that this was
> happening (she died in 1961).
>
> Here is an extract from Wikipedia explaining the Church’s view on her
> writing.  I also include a link to the page for whoever would like to
> understand more about this.  Wikipedia is not the greatest academic source
> on the planet but it was hard to find something else quickly.  It will do
> for the moment.
>
> *Holy See's reaction to publication: Regarding unauthorized publication*
>
> On 16 December 1959, the Congregation of the Holy Office ordered the
> 4-volume work entitled "The Poem of the Man-God" placed on the Index of
> Forbidden Books. Pope John XXIII approved the decree and directed that the
> condemnation be published. The decree was then promulgated by the Holy
> Office on 5 January 1960.[15] The decree was published also
> in L'Osservatore Romano of 6 January 1960, accompanied by a front-page
> article under the heading "A Badly Fictionalized Life of Jesus".[2] After
> publication of a second edition by the same publisher, the Vatican
> newspaper republished the content of the decree on 1 December 1961,
> together with an explanatory note.
>
> Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of
> the Faith, in his letter 144/58 of 31 January 1985, entrusted to
> Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, the decision whether to inform
> a priest of his archdiocese that the Valtorta work had indeed been placed
> on the Index, which keeps its moral force, and that "a decision against
> distributing and recommending a work, which has not been condemned lightly,
> may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm
> which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful".
> Cardinal Siri not only informed the priest, but also published (with the
> name of the priest removed) the text of Cardinal Ratzinger's letter.
>
> Again in 1983, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote to Bishop Raymond James
> Boland of Birmingham, Alabama, in response to a letter a member of Bishop
> Boland's diocese had sent to him. He recalled the notes that the
> Congregation had already issued for the guidance of the faithful and that
> had been published on various numbers of L'Osservatore Romano, and he
> stated that his Congregation had requested the Italian episcopal conference
> to ask the publisher to have a disclaimer printed in the volumes that
> "clearly indicated from the very first page that the 'visions' and
> 'dictations' referred to in it are simply the literary forms used by the
> author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be
> considered supernatural in origin."
>
> By then, the Italian Bishops Conference had already carried out the
> Congregation's request: in letter 324/92 of 6 January 1992, it recalled the
> notes about the matter that had appeared on L'Osservatore Romano of 6
> January 1960 and 15 June 1966 and it requested that "in any future reprint
> of the volumes, each should, right from its first page, clearly state that
> the ‘visions’.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Valtorta
>
> It is important to understand the context, especially in this case, and
> the context is certainly not that she speaks for the Church.
>
> What concerns me most though is that by posting continually from
> Valtorta’s Poem, especially in response to something like John’s recent
> post on the “work of Christmas” or Maryanne and Roberto’s reflection on
> baptism in PP, is that you seem to think that Valtorta’s musings trump
> their thinking and ideas.  Do you?  It is a good thing to have an open
> exchange of ideas and discussion on topics within the community but I
> believe it should be that - open.  Quoting mysteriously from unattributed
> sources and seeming to imply that they bear weight within the Church is not
> a fair way to go about this.
>
> Maria
>
> On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:35 AM, Brian Shaughnessy via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
> HIS COMMENT ON HIS BAPTISM BY JOHN
> ________
>
> "John did not need any sign for himself.  His soul, presanctified in his
> mother's womb, possessed that penetration of supernatural intelligence that
> all men would have had if Adam had not sinned.
>
> John was the lips, I the Word.  He was the Precursor both in the Gospel
> and in martyrdom.
>
> But a sign was necessary for the darkness of other people.  On what would
> John base his statement, but on an undeniable proof evident to the eyes and
> ears of backward and dull listeners?
>
> He descended Himself, a divine Dove, on Him Who was to baptise men with
> that Dove, and His announcement was heard descending from Heaven, more
> powerful than an angel's, because it came from My Father:  "This is My
> beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased".  So that man should have no excuse
> or doubt in following or not following Me.
>
> The manifestations of Christ have been numerous.  My miracles are
> manifestations of My divine nature.  My fatherland was full of My
> manifestations.
>
> And they take place even now.  But, as in the past, the world does not
> accept them.  It does not accept the present manifestations and forgets the
> past ones.
>
> Well, I will not give up.  I will repeat Myself..
>
> Do you know, Mary, what I am doing *in showing you* the Gospel?  Making a
> stronger attempt to bring men to Me.  You yearned for it with your fervent
> prayers.
>
> I will no longer confine Myself to words.  They tire men and detach them.
> It is a fault, but it is so.  I will have recourse to visions, also of My
> Gospel, and I will explain them to make them more attractive and clear.
>
> I give you the comfort of seeing them.  I give everybody the possibility
> of wishing to know me.
>
> And if it is of no avail, it does not matter.  Let them, the inconvertible
> ones, heap burning coals on their heads and let us turn to the little sheep
> seeking to become acquainted with their Shepherd.  It is I and you are the
> staff leading them to Me."
> ________
>
> --
> aptYLJC,Twbd,ttM
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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 5:06 PM Maryanne Stone-Jimenez via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sunday Community,
>>
>> Happy New Year!!
>>
>> Please find attached the People Progress for this Sunday January 10.
>>
>> A special thanks to Helena for information on the historical Jewish
>> context regarding the meaning of immersion.
>>
>> Paz y bien
>> Maryanne & Roberto
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