[Sundaycommunity] Chemical Farming & The Loss of Human Health

Fri Oct 29 14:42:18 PDT 2021

I am in basic agreement with Cathy.  And I really don't like your making
this an argument of the gender of the person arguing.  Art, you have failed
to convince the community of your position on Covid, despite numerous
arguments forwarded to us.  Covid is not comnparable to cancer - it is a
new disease, whereas cancer is not.  (I suggest you read "The Emperor of
all Maladies".  I am frankly amazed and impressed with the way the
medical/scientific community has responded to this new disease.  I have not
known anybody personally who has died of Covid.  A sister has the same
cancer our brother died of in the 90s and is expected to live into at least
her late 70s, if not longer.

I would request that you cease and desist what are frequently spurious
arguments about Covid and vaccinations.  You are alienating yourself from a
wonderful group of people who do care about you, but clearly not your
arguments about this issue.

Peace, Pat

*Patricia Smiley*

*email:  smileypatricia76 at gmail.com <smileypatricia76 at gmail.com>*

*mobile:  647-517-1599*

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:03 PM William Watson via Sundaycommunity <
sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Well said Cathy and Dwyer. I agree totally.
> Stay safe👍
> Bill
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> Sent from my I-Phone
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> William J. Watson, MD,
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> On Oct 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Dwyer Sullivan via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
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> 
> WELL SAID CATHY AND ART WE KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS BY NOW, SO CEASE AND DESIST.
> PEACE, DWYER
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:43 PM Catherine Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Art
>> It is not new for women to be told that our anger is hysterical or
>> inappropriate. To suggest that I personally need material that is 'less
>> threatening' or that I am 'hostile' and 'defensive' just goes along with
>> that whole sexist theme.  You say you want discourse and to achieve common
>> ground but there is no conversation or discourse possible once you throw
>> Hitler in the mix, or belittle the grief of those who have lost loved ones
>> to COVID, or persistently post disinformation that puts peoples' lives at
>> risk. To pretend bewilderment at an angry reaction is disingenuous.  I
>> stand by my anger.
>>
>> If you don't know what constitutes reliable data, for goodness sake don't
>> post.
>>
>> If it makes you feel better, I have no intention of interacting with you
>> on this subject again.  It's too contentious for this community in my
>> opinion.  I suggested the last time that I emailed that you let it go too,
>> and I hope you will.  I don't think anyone on here has any doubts where you
>> stand. I do worry for anyone else on here who might be taken in and put
>> their lives at risk because of what you post.  To those people I say: get
>> vaccinated, wear a mask, and stay safe.  If you have any doubts, talk to
>> your doctor.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:21 PM Arthur Blomme <art at integralshift.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> What makes your quotes valid and mine misinformation?  You make very
>>> general criticisms of  my thinking process that is akin to name calling.
>>> We could have a fruitful conversation is you could specify a point I make
>>> that you want to dispute.  We could than talk about the data presented
>>> rather than my personal character.. I sense you have a nasty view of my
>>> motivation  in  "the Hitler quote you used to demean those who disagree
>>> with you".  How did I demean those who disagree with me by using this
>>> quote?
>>>
>>> Interesting that the areas you chose France Spain UK and the US with
>>> high covid death rates are also countries with High vaccination rates
>>> relative to African countries with the exception of South Africa who have
>>> very low death rates and low vaccination rates.  In Africa where they do
>>> not consider COVID a major health threat there covid death rates are less.
>>> (One of the explanations being proposed for the low death rate in Africa is
>>> the high usage of Ivermectin.  Of course the dominant narrative that you
>>> support would call this misinformation.)
>>>
>>> I present a lot of information derived from male commentators.  Perhaps
>>> the perspective of a female investigative journalist who  has switched
>>> sides in the covid debate may be less threatening to you. Kim Iverson
>>> addresses the relative effectiveness of the pandemic response in the USA
>>> which is similar to that of Canada.
>>> Kim Iversen: People SICKER After Lockdowns. Was The Great Barrington
>>> Declaration RIGHT? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmsxbDzCQHc>
>>>
>>> I would like to come to some common ground.  Some people can actually
>>> discuss different points of view without being so defensive and hostile.
>>>
>>> I try to be as evidence based as possible.   I am by no means perfect.
>>> I often wish I didn't publish emails with phrases like the hitler quote.
>>> As I broaden my perspective what once seems like a  good idea,  I now
>>> recognize as problematic.
>>>
>>> Stay Free
>>>
>>> Art
>>> On 10/28/21 6:06 p.m., Catherine Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Canada had a lower number of deaths from COVID because by and
>>> large Canadians followed the health advice from their doctors. This
>>> included masking and getting vaccinated.  We saved a lot of people so of
>>> course cancer claimed more people than COVID here.  *This actually
>>> shows that the vaccine works*.   Again, you're following a pattern of
>>> looking at a tiny corner of the evidence and then twisting it to give it
>>> the meaning you're looking for.  Here's a more accurate perspective looking
>>> at COVID from the start of 2020 until now:
>>>
>>> *"According to official statistics, COVID-19 was the leading cause of
>>> death in France, Spain, the United Kingdom, and several U.S. states. But
>>> after accounting for undercounting of COVID-19 deaths, it was the leading
>>> cause of death in the United States, Iran, and Poland (all were
>>> second-leading before adjusting to account for total deaths due to
>>> COVID-19). COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in the Region of the
>>> Americas and the third leading cause of death in the European Region."*
>>> (
>>> https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/just-how-do-deaths-due-covid-19-stack
>>> )
>>>
>>> I've tried to read all your emails out of courtesy but I found your
>>> recent emails increasingly disturbing in their reliance on misinformation
>>> or partial information.  In particular I found the Hitler quote you used to
>>> demean those who disagree with you in one of your last emails quite
>>> offensive.  At this point I hope you will stop sharing the misinformation,
>>> at least with me.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 7:14 PM Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity <
>>> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Randolph
>>>>
>>>> Statistically speaking more people were likely to have had my
>>>> experience in 2020 than you.   According to stats Canada There were 83,300
>>>> people whose death is attributed to Cancer while covid19 took15,606
>>>> deaths.  Cancer deaths by far supersede  death by Covid 19.
>>>>
>>>> Interested in hearing your comments on the video.
>>>>
>>>> Peace Art
>>>> On 10/28/21 11:42 a.m., Randolph Haluza-DeLay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know several that have died of covid.
>>>>
>>>> I know none that have died of cancer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Using our personal experience as “evidence” is terribly problematic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (I cannot comment on glycophate).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sit nobis pax cum natura*
>>>>
>>>> Randolph Haluza-DeLay
>>>>
>>>> Now in Toronto: Social scientist at-large, cyclist, environmental
>>>> justice advocate, former academic/always a scholar
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/randolph-haluza-delay-525a451/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Randolph_Haluza-Delay
>>>>
>>>> **Monthly “Mind & Soul” column  for Canadian Mennonite magazine. Latest
>>>> at: *https://canadianmennonite.org/stories/what-enough
>>>> <https://canadianmennonite.org/stories/what-enough> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Sundaycommunity [
>>>> mailto:sundaycommunity-bounces at lists.integralshift.ca
>>>> <sundaycommunity-bounces at lists.integralshift.ca>] *On Behalf Of *Arthur
>>>> Blomme via Sundaycommunity
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:21 PM
>>>> *To:* Sunday Community <SundayCommunity at integralshift.ca>
>>>> <SundayCommunity at integralshift.ca>
>>>> *Cc:* Arthur Blomme <art at integralshift.ca> <art at integralshift.ca>
>>>> *Subject:* [Sundaycommunity] Chemical Farming & The Loss of Human
>>>> Health
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> Since the beginning of this pandemic I am mourning several close
>>>> friends who have died of Cancer.  I know no one who has died of covid.   Is
>>>> our glycophate contaminated food supply causing these deaths?
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> <https://youtu.be/Aw16LPVnNco>
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>>>>
>>>> Chemical Farming & The Loss of Human Health
>>>> <https://youtu.be/Aw16LPVnNco>
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/Aw16LPVnNco
>>>>
>>>> Zach Bush, MD is triple board-certified physician specializing in
>>>> internal medicine, endocrinology and hospice care. He is the founder of
>>>> Seraphic Group, an organization devoted to developing root-cause solutions
>>>> for human and ecological health in the sectors of big farming, big pharma,
>>>> and Western Medicine at large. And he is also the founder of Farmers
>>>> Footprint https://farmersfootprint.us/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbVhpVWJDMzZsckI1TmhmcWhLX2NHYUpGckRxUXxBQ3Jtc0tta2g1WHZRNTJ2WFQ0N1JEWENlM0FGaXVncUtuYXRsZ3E0cDZaLUFGRmVDcWV4dW82X2k0SVU2SlJSRHRoWG9qQVBBSEdBX3cxMENUN2Z6S2pPZktHczMzTmZWSjNIbWRrU1dmRy1mTTN1RVBpakpoZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Ffarmersfootprint.us%2F>,
>>>> a non-profit coalition of farmers, educators, doctors, scientists, and
>>>> business leaders aiming to expose the deleterious human and environmental
>>>> impacts of chemical farming and pesticide reliance -- while simultaneously
>>>> offering a path forward through regenerative agricultural practices. Dr.
>>>> Zach Bush's work is critical in exposing the truth about our toxic food
>>>> system or its health impact. To learn more please visit
>>>> https://zachbushmd.com/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbXlndDBLUHl3aklWb1RSN1NmWHNsMVhWcndLd3xBQ3Jtc0ttWVdNSFg0bGpNNG8tZm1aYVlWSVZIMGtvWUdYQUVIWDdKVElfb01JSjFDdWRIOHh2NDBDZk1wV0FGNFpBX19KZ1p5Zi1sM0hCdkY5MkwwbUhGQWtjR3BBLWVkTndlOUdpcE8xQ0NFQV9HQzhtQlVHaw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fzachbushmd.com%2F>
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