<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp1174b48eyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">HELLO Bill,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I was taken by what it has been, by Catherine Walther has been saying, about "WHY the Catholic Church is so slow in changing". We (as women) will make many changes, not aways so positive. IT is a part of the <b><font color="#cd232c">movement of the Church</font></b> that some of what it is will not be so positive in your eyes, but they will be in ours. Catherine is a good lady. PLEASE keep up the dialogue,</div><div class="ydp1174b48esignature" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>Mary Lou Jorgensen-Bacher<br>Keeper of the Flame</div></div>
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On Tuesday, October 29, 2024 at 04:59:49 p.m. EDT, Catherine Walther via Sundaycommunity <sundaycommunity@lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpb472833yiv7801852883"><div><div>Well Bill, I read the article and I appreciate that you responded positively to it. And I believe it’s the way the official church would image itself. </div><div>However, in thinking about it Vatican 11 stresses that WE are Church. And we live in the 21st century, where science now shows that we are all on a gender fluid spectrum, where social science , (Vatican 11 included ) believes that people need to participate, and rule-making and leadership should be not so hierarchical , where women and men are intellectually, socially, emotionally, and creatively equal and again mostly on a spectrum. Science also teaches us that we humans are part of the Earth community and not separate from it. </div><div>All of these and probably many other understandings today that don’t come readily to mind, show where the old ocean liner is fast leaking and better start filling in the holes before it sinks completely. </div><div>The Holy Spirit, or Great Spirit, or whatever name we use for God is fast working, inspiring and creating small Christian communities that are egalitarian, non-clerical, where sharing together how God is working in their lives, where meditation, bible studies and spirituality book studies enliven the members’ faith and help them to “Act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with their God. “ and, as the essence of Jesus teaching says,” Love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.” There’s not much about big institutions, traditions or ocean liners in those teachings. </div><div>Love the dialogue, Catherine</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883MsoNormal"><font color="#141414" face="Georgia, serif"><span style="font-size:16px;">When life wins there will be no losers. A'Ida Shibli</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydpb472833yiv7801852883yqt96285" class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883yqt8367391587"><div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 12:49 PM William Watson via Sundaycommunity <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:sundaycommunity@lists.integralshift.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sundaycommunity@lists.integralshift.ca</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpb472833yiv7801852883gmail_quote">I like this article on why the Catholic Church moves so slowly, like a large ocean liner (not the Titanic!) coursing through rough seas.<br clear="none">
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