<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">I'm with Catherine on this. Evolution is still continuing, and we with it. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">The diversity of humankind has much to be celebrated. We do much better when we become less judgemental and better at appreciating unique gifts. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">In our day we are on a slow journey to value women in ways that were denied in times past. We've always had people who didn't relate to gender roles and found gender identity an issue for them. They have more mental health issues,since we are such social animals and they don't conform - indeed they are at significantly greater risk of suicide.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">Jesus, who consistently favored the poor and the outcast, is our great example. We need to start from every individual bearing the stamp of God, and with that firmly in place we hopefully will be in a better place.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">John</font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 4:14 PM Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity <<a href="mailto:sundaycommunity@lists.integralshift.ca">sundaycommunity@lists.integralshift.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Catherine</p>
<p><img src="cid:ii_192eae7dea2e2a54c41" alt="" width="430" height="554" align="right">I have to agree with Bill
on this one. Throughout my studies in sociology the big question
always was can there be social science or was it in the end
ideology. Taking this discussion further I began to question
whether medicine was based more on technocratic ideology than
science. </p>
<p>The concept of Gender fluidity is a prime example of an ideology
promoting a transhumanist perspective. It is the role of the
wisdom of the Church to protect our families and children from the
consequences of this exploitative ideology. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Well Bill, I read the article and I appreciate
that you responded positively to it. And I believe it’s the way
the official church would image itself. </div>
<div dir="auto">However, in thinking about it Vatican 11 stresses
that WE are Church. And we live in the 21st century, where
science now shows that we are all on a gender fluid spectrum,
where social science , (Vatican 11 included ) believes that
people need to participate, and rule-making and leadership
should be not so hierarchical , where women and men are
intellectually, socially, emotionally, and creatively equal and
again mostly on a spectrum. Science also teaches us that we
humans are part of the Earth community and not separate from
it. </div>
<div dir="auto">All of these and probably many other
understandings today that don’t come readily to mind, show where
the old ocean liner is fast leaking and better start filling in
the holes before it sinks completely. </div>
<div dir="auto">The Holy Spirit, or Great Spirit, or whatever
name we use for God is fast working, inspiring and creating
small Christian communities that are egalitarian, non-clerical,
where sharing together how God is working in their lives, where
meditation, bible studies and spirituality book studies enliven
the members’ faith and help them to “Act justly, love mercy,
and walk humbly with their God. “ and, as the essence of Jesus
teaching says,” Love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.”
There’s not much about big institutions, traditions or ocean
liners in those teachings. </div>
<div dir="auto">Love the dialogue, Catherine</div>
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life wins there will be no losers. A'Ida Shibli</span></font></p>
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like this article on why the Catholic Church moves so
slowly, like a large ocean liner (not the Titanic!) coursing
through rough seas.<br>
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<a href="https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/why-so-slow-to-change.php" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/why-so-slow-to-change.php</a><br>
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