[Sundaycommunity] YOUR PREOCCUPATION WITH BECOMING EQUAL TO MEN

[John MacMillan]

I hope the community e-mails will offer news community members want to
share with each other, including personal news and events some of us
may be interested in. We are hopefully using it to serve others.

Mary told me the other day her e-mail backlog is down to 1,000. I'm at
2,000 and working at going lower. Anything that I expect to be
unhelpful doesn't get read.

I'm looking forward to reading "Freeing Jesus", by Diana Butler Bass,
and I might recommend it to the community if I find it nurtures my
spirit. It's a book of "memoir theology" - over her lifetime, Jesus
was: friend, teacher, savior, lord, way, and presence. My own sense of
Jesus has evolved too, so it will be interesting to accompany her and
see the parallels. One of the wonderful things about growing older is
to have a richer sense of what relationship is, and to feel grateful
for it.

John

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 9:05 AM Catherine Walther via Sundaycommunity
<sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
> I agree wholeheartedly with Catherine. Brian, the theology you are trying to impose on us is just that, a theology. The RC church has adopted it but slowly the church is changing through its theologians, not just becoming more just to women but also to all of creation through Creation Theologies begun by Teilhard de Chardin and Thomas Berry, and wonderfully embellished by Ilia Delio. These are more theologians you can read.
> Please, please, please stop imposing the theology of Maria on us. It’s totally outdated and offensive to both men and women.
> Thank you, Catherine Walther
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 9:34 AM Catherin Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity <sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Is this for real??  Why are you trying to pick a public fight with me?
>>
>> Ask yourself, why are you so preoccupied in insisting women are not equal to men?
>>
>> The fact that I’ve asked you to desist but you will not stop - something that is far too uncomfortably familiar to women - is one reason I push back when I see sexism.
>>
>> The condescending and offensive tone of these emails to me, in particular the subject lines, is another.
>>
>> The fact that such attitudes have resulted in 1 in four women reporting assault, that women earn on average 23% less than men in Canada, that women are interrupted 8 times more than men, etc etc is another (StatsCan). And let’s not start on the structure of our Church which apparently has taught you to fight with any woman who insists on the full equality of men and women.
>>
>> The fact that instead of educating yourself you would rather argue with me and attempt to belittle me.
>>
>> I could go on but the truth is you’re not interested.  You just want to be able to drop your twisted theologies on all of us uncontested. You want to show your dominance if arguments arise rather than respect my or others’ request to be allowed to leave the conversation or hear what actual living women have to say for ourselves in all our uniqueness and diversity.  You want two easy categories of women - the ‘Eves (sluts and sinners deserving of mistreatment) and the Marys (frigid saints so high above you you don’t have to include them in the affairs of the world until they tumble off their pedestals and then of course, are deserving of any evil that befalls them).
>>
>> Now, go to the library and start looking up books on feminist theology (or what I just call “theology” because everyone should read some).  Start with Ruether, Schussler-Fiorenza, Johnson.
>>
>> Your education or lack thereof is your responsibility.  Again, please desist with your increasingly offensive emails to me.
>>
>> Moderator, if Brian continues to subject me to these types of emails I would ask you to intervene.  I cannot block him without blocking the entire list.
>>
>> To everyone else, I’m sorry you’ve had to be a part of this.
>>
>> Cathy
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On May 14, 2021, at 3:48 AM, Brian Shaughnessy <bshaughn43 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > Catherine Cavanaugh
>> >
>> > Humans, men and women, are very imperfect.  He says "The greatest human perfection is full of imperfections".
>> >
>> > Why are you so caught up in being equal to men?
>> >
>> > We begin our Creed with "believing in God, the Father Almighty".  He is vastly superior to us, yet still wants nothing more than to save us.  Which He will do if we but turn to Him and stay with Him.
>> >
>> > Surely that is where you and all feminists should have by far your greatest focus.
>> >
>> >         Brian S.
>> >
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