[Sundaycommunity] death rates from covid in UK by vaccine status very different from what is reported in Canada.

[Catherine Walther]

Excellent, Cathy. Thanks, Catherine

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:46 PM Catherine Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity <
sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> I hesitate to wade in because this seems like a highly volatile topic but
> I'm concerned you and maybe others are being misled. I agree with
> Randolphe's points but have a few more to add.
>
> The article you referenced earlier was not peer reviewed, and the author
> is not a doctor. An exercise physiologist is not qualified to give medical
> advice professionally.  Scrolling the internet for a few hours before
> writing a non-peer reviewed piece for an internet site with no journalistic
> standards does not constitute research regardless of how the author
> describes it.
>
> The article also begins with the argument, now moot, that the vaccines
> aren’t FDA approved.  Now they are, so hopefully said author is vaccinated
> and has not accidentally killed themselves with the horse medication
> Ivermectin that they also so loudly and completely unethically advocate as
> a cure.  Please, please don’t take medications for horses because someone
> on the internet without a medical degree suggests you should.  Dear God.
> It’s this above all that has prompted me to break silence.
>
> You're also wrong to assume that none of us have cast a critical eye on
> the pharmaceutical establishment.  It's simply clear that in this case the
> value of the vaccine outweighs other factors.  As with other medications,
> the science is accurate and effective even if we may question the financial
> power of the industry (and thus the fact that many poorer nations have not
> yet been able to purchase sufficient vaccines for their population.) The
> numbers are clear on these vaccines preventing serious illness and death
> with little risk.  And no, the vaccines will not affect our genes.
>
> I hope everyone who is following this will read the link Roberto sent if
> you are wondering about the graphs.  Yes, many elderly and
> immunocompromised people are still dying from the virus.  We have known
> from the start that the vaccine is least effective amongst these people
> though it does offer some protection.  All the more reason for the rest of
> us to get vaccinated to protect them (you can see the effectiveness amongst
> younger people on the graph).  Here’s a sample quote from Roberto’s link
> clarifying your UK info:  “Despite only making up *29%* of the eligible
> population, unvaccinated people make up *48%* of this weeks new cases.”
>
> Chemotherapy is also not always 100% effective in stopping cancer.  I hope
> we won't stop offering it.
>
> And the totalitarianism charge?  We elect people to create and impose laws
> that will protect the common good in balance with limits on our own
> personal freedoms. This includes seatbelts, stop signs, drivers' licenses
> (for which there is a medical test of vision), vaccinations, and countless
> other things that we don't think about most of the time. That’s literally
> their job and we're in the midst of a hiring season (election).  Remember
> when smoking laws were implemented? Totalitarianism!  We can only imagine
> how many lives those laws, not to mention all the required vaccines, have
> saved over the years.
>
> Medical requirements for work are also not new.  For instance I’m sure
> many teachers here will remember the mandatory proof that you were TB free
> before beginning work.  It lasted into the 90s.  Either you showed proof of
> BCG vaccine, or you had to have a chest x-ray or skin test.  Big deal.  It
> kept the kids safe.
>
> Finally, I’m not familiar with the group Ruah but I object to any argument
> that it would be hypocritical for someone who upholds women’s reproductive
> rights to also support a vaccine mandate.  Women are unique and have varied
> opinions on different issues.
>
> The vaccine mandate is about offering each other freedoms and protections
> – to gather, celebrate in person,  send our kids to school, receive the
> medical care that has been set aside while the medical community has been
> overwhelmed by covid care, go out and work, travel, volunteer, worship
> together, sing in choirs, care for our mental health – I could go on and
> on….  We may also have to wear masks for a while too because we want to
> protect the vulnerable for whom the vaccine is less effective.  I'm not
> saying there isn't sacrifice and even some small risk involved, but it's
> worth it.  That’s what the beatitudes are all about.  And Matthew 25.  And,
> well, the gospels as a whole really.
>
> I appreciate your passion about this Arthur.  You've expressed your views
> on the vaccine, and I have too along with others so maybe we bow out and
> let others converse about it if they want?  I just hope anyone here who
> might be debating the issue, or has fears, or who has come across
> misinformation, will go out and talk to your medical doctor about it.
>
> Best,
>
> Cathy
>
> Catherine Cavanagh, D. Min
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:48 AM Roberto via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Please continue reading in this link the explanations and declaimed of
>> the graphs.
>>
>> https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/vaccine
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 19:10, Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity <
>> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Data reported in Scotland and UK are quite different from what is
>> reported in Canada.  Find links to source data
>> https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/public-health-england-releases-detailed-vaccine-breakthrough-information/
>>
>>
>> Scotland: 70% of Covid deaths and 58% of hospitalizations are fully
>> vaccinated 05/09/2021
>> <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/scotland-70-of-covid-deaths-and-58-of-hospitalizations-are-fully-vaccinated/>
>> Coronaheadsup.com <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/author/coronaheadsup/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Data from TravellingTabby Scotland Covid dashboard
>> <https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/>*
>>
>>
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