[Sundaycommunity] death rates from covid in UK by vaccine status very different from what is reported in Canada.

Wed Sep 15 17:01:02 PDT 2021

I was trying to think of a response, and Dwyer articulated it for me.
Thumbs up!

*Patricia Smiley*

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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:58 PM Dwyer Sullivan via Sundaycommunity <
sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Thank you Cathy for taking the time to respond thoughtfully. Thank you Art
> for being willing to voice  minority opinions so strongly. It gives many of
> us in the Sunday community the opportunity to reflect on The Gospel values
> - of what it mean to love your neighbor as yourself and love your enemies.
> Thanks to both of you and Roberto as well.
> Peace, Dwyer
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:46 PM Catherine Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> I hesitate to wade in because this seems like a highly volatile topic but
>> I'm concerned you and maybe others are being misled. I agree with
>> Randolphe's points but have a few more to add.
>>
>> The article you referenced earlier was not peer reviewed, and the author
>> is not a doctor. An exercise physiologist is not qualified to give medical
>> advice professionally.  Scrolling the internet for a few hours before
>> writing a non-peer reviewed piece for an internet site with no journalistic
>> standards does not constitute research regardless of how the author
>> describes it.
>>
>> The article also begins with the argument, now moot, that the vaccines
>> aren’t FDA approved.  Now they are, so hopefully said author is vaccinated
>> and has not accidentally killed themselves with the horse medication
>> Ivermectin that they also so loudly and completely unethically advocate as
>> a cure.  Please, please don’t take medications for horses because someone
>> on the internet without a medical degree suggests you should.  Dear God.
>> It’s this above all that has prompted me to break silence.
>>
>> You're also wrong to assume that none of us have cast a critical eye on
>> the pharmaceutical establishment.  It's simply clear that in this case the
>> value of the vaccine outweighs other factors.  As with other medications,
>> the science is accurate and effective even if we may question the financial
>> power of the industry (and thus the fact that many poorer nations have not
>> yet been able to purchase sufficient vaccines for their population.) The
>> numbers are clear on these vaccines preventing serious illness and death
>> with little risk.  And no, the vaccines will not affect our genes.
>>
>> I hope everyone who is following this will read the link Roberto sent if
>> you are wondering about the graphs.  Yes, many elderly and
>> immunocompromised people are still dying from the virus.  We have known
>> from the start that the vaccine is least effective amongst these people
>> though it does offer some protection.  All the more reason for the rest of
>> us to get vaccinated to protect them (you can see the effectiveness amongst
>> younger people on the graph).  Here’s a sample quote from Roberto’s link
>> clarifying your UK info:  “Despite only making up *29%* of the eligible
>> population, unvaccinated people make up *48%* of this weeks new cases.”
>>
>> Chemotherapy is also not always 100% effective in stopping cancer.  I
>> hope we won't stop offering it.
>>
>> And the totalitarianism charge?  We elect people to create and impose
>> laws that will protect the common good in balance with limits on our own
>> personal freedoms. This includes seatbelts, stop signs, drivers' licenses
>> (for which there is a medical test of vision), vaccinations, and countless
>> other things that we don't think about most of the time. That’s literally
>> their job and we're in the midst of a hiring season (election).  Remember
>> when smoking laws were implemented? Totalitarianism!  We can only imagine
>> how many lives those laws, not to mention all the required vaccines, have
>> saved over the years.
>>
>> Medical requirements for work are also not new.  For instance I’m sure
>> many teachers here will remember the mandatory proof that you were TB free
>> before beginning work.  It lasted into the 90s.  Either you showed proof of
>> BCG vaccine, or you had to have a chest x-ray or skin test.  Big deal.  It
>> kept the kids safe.
>>
>> Finally, I’m not familiar with the group Ruah but I object to any
>> argument that it would be hypocritical for someone who upholds women’s
>> reproductive rights to also support a vaccine mandate.  Women are unique
>> and have varied opinions on different issues.
>>
>> The vaccine mandate is about offering each other freedoms and protections
>> – to gather, celebrate in person,  send our kids to school, receive the
>> medical care that has been set aside while the medical community has been
>> overwhelmed by covid care, go out and work, travel, volunteer, worship
>> together, sing in choirs, care for our mental health – I could go on and
>> on….  We may also have to wear masks for a while too because we want to
>> protect the vulnerable for whom the vaccine is less effective.  I'm not
>> saying there isn't sacrifice and even some small risk involved, but it's
>> worth it.  That’s what the beatitudes are all about.  And Matthew 25.  And,
>> well, the gospels as a whole really.
>>
>> I appreciate your passion about this Arthur.  You've expressed your views
>> on the vaccine, and I have too along with others so maybe we bow out and
>> let others converse about it if they want?  I just hope anyone here who
>> might be debating the issue, or has fears, or who has come across
>> misinformation, will go out and talk to your medical doctor about it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>> Catherine Cavanagh, D. Min
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:48 AM Roberto via Sundaycommunity <
>> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Please continue reading in this link the explanations and declaimed of
>>> the graphs.
>>>
>>> https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/vaccine
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 19:10, Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity <
>>> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Data reported in Scotland and UK are quite different from what is
>>> reported in Canada.  Find links to source data
>>> https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/public-health-england-releases-detailed-vaccine-breakthrough-information/
>>>
>>>
>>> Scotland: 70% of Covid deaths and 58% of hospitalizations are fully
>>> vaccinated 05/09/2021
>>> <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/scotland-70-of-covid-deaths-and-58-of-hospitalizations-are-fully-vaccinated/>
>>> Coronaheadsup.com <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/author/coronaheadsup/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Data from TravellingTabby Scotland Covid dashboard
>>> <https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/>*
>>>
>>>
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