[Craic] Jordan Peterson, the Climate Crisis Deniers’ New Mouthpiece | The Tyee

[Allan Baker]

Hi Art;

From my perspective, it is already too late to deny the fact that climate change is happening. 
We discussed this topic in Geomorphology 101 when I was an undergraduate. Our soils classes not only taught us how soils are different, but how they can change over time due to climatic influences.

If one does not believe the “science”, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence: fires / floods / thawing permafrost / shifting climatic zones / desertification / etc. Stories are just as valid as theoretical models - as we know from reading the Gospels.

My family are farmers and they can tell stories of, for example, how much the date of the first frost has changed in the past 50 years. 
When I first visited P.E.I. in 1971 they did not grow corn as fodder for their dairy herds. Now, every dairy farm grows corn AND climate change is one of two factors involved in this. The other factor involved is genetic science, which has enabled corn to mature in a shorter growing season.

Are there anthropological causes of these changes in Earth’s climate? 
That debate is over with for most people, BUT I recognize that not everyone agrees.
Even so, what if we all were to co-operate and reduce human-caused carbon inputs to the seas and atmosphere of the Earth? 
Would there be any harm in doing so?

In our United Church of Canada “New Creed” (below) we not only affirm our belief in an evolving creation, we also affirm that one role for the church is to:
“Live with respect in creation”.
First Nations people also have respect for Earth as a part of their spirituality.

Since all of life on Earth is inter-connected, our actions in reducing our impact on Earth will mean positive outcomes for everyone, no? That’s why I am involved in environmental action groups, and have little interest in debating who is right, or wrong.

Stay hopeful;
Allan


We are not alone,
    we live in God’s world.
 We believe in God:
    who has created and is creating,
    who has come in Jesus,
       the Word made flesh,
       to reconcile and make new,
    who works in us and others
       by the Spirit.
We trust in God. 
We are called to be the Church:
    to celebrate God’s presence,
    to live with respect in Creation,
    to love and serve others,
    to seek justice and resist evil,
    to proclaim Jesus, crucified and risen,
       our judge and our hope.
In life, in death, in life beyond death,
    God is with us.
We are not alone.
    Thanks be to God.

> On Sep 6, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Arthur Blomme <art at integralshift.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Allan
> 
> Science that can't be questioned is dogma and not science.  Over the years I have switched back and forth between believing and not believing Al Gores climate change thesis.  What can we ever know for certain?
> 
> Promoters of climate change dogma in my experience never address the concerns of so called climate change deniers which include one of the activist founders of Greenpeace.
> 
> Some of the points that I have never heard addressed are: 
> 
> Past data shows that there is a correlation between carbon and temperature but correlation is not causation. 
>  climate change predictions are based on models which have to be proven by real world data and there is lots of real world data that do not support the models.   eg.  the highest temperature in London was 30 or 40 years ago. (working from memory)
> anecdotal extreme weather accounts, often cherry picked are not scientific evidence and do not prove model predictions.
> I wish the promoters of climate change would be more concerned with addressing these issues rather than with seeking doctrinal purity of Al Gores global warming thesis.
> 
> At any rate Peterson does not fly around the world in his private jets as do the Davos crowd who hypocritically say they will save us from climate disaster if we obey without question.    Its not what we say that causes environmental destruction it is what we do.  I think that our biggest concern at present should be the social Darwinist inclinations of the billionaire class. 
> 
> Calling Peterson a Nihilist is especially rich. 
> 
> Art
> 
> On 9/06/22 6:34 a.m., Allan Baker via craic wrote:
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>>> bakers3 at sympatico.ca <mailto:bakers3 at sympatico.ca> thought you might like this story from TheTyee.ca <http://thetyee.ca/>:
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>>> Jordan Peterson, the Climate Crisis Deniers’ New Mouthpiece | The Tyee <https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/09/05/Jordan-Peterson-Climate-Crisis-Denier-New-Mouthpiece/>
>>> Touting myths to millions is ‘highly irresponsible,’ say experts trying to avert disaster.
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>>> https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/09/05/Jordan-Peterson-Climate-Crisis-Denier-New-Mouthpiece/ <https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/09/05/Jordan-Peterson-Climate-Crisis-Denier-New-Mouthpiece/>
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