[Sundaycommunity] death rates from covid in UK by vaccine status very different from what is reported in Canada.

Wed Sep 15 16:58:19 PDT 2021

Thank you Cathy for taking the time to respond thoughtfully. Thank you Art
for being willing to voice  minority opinions so strongly. It gives many of
us in the Sunday community the opportunity to reflect on The Gospel values
- of what it mean to love your neighbor as yourself and love your enemies.
Thanks to both of you and Roberto as well.
Peace, Dwyer

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:46 PM Catherine Cavanagh via Sundaycommunity <
sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> I hesitate to wade in because this seems like a highly volatile topic but
> I'm concerned you and maybe others are being misled. I agree with
> Randolphe's points but have a few more to add.
>
> The article you referenced earlier was not peer reviewed, and the author
> is not a doctor. An exercise physiologist is not qualified to give medical
> advice professionally.  Scrolling the internet for a few hours before
> writing a non-peer reviewed piece for an internet site with no journalistic
> standards does not constitute research regardless of how the author
> describes it.
>
> The article also begins with the argument, now moot, that the vaccines
> aren’t FDA approved.  Now they are, so hopefully said author is vaccinated
> and has not accidentally killed themselves with the horse medication
> Ivermectin that they also so loudly and completely unethically advocate as
> a cure.  Please, please don’t take medications for horses because someone
> on the internet without a medical degree suggests you should.  Dear God.
> It’s this above all that has prompted me to break silence.
>
> You're also wrong to assume that none of us have cast a critical eye on
> the pharmaceutical establishment.  It's simply clear that in this case the
> value of the vaccine outweighs other factors.  As with other medications,
> the science is accurate and effective even if we may question the financial
> power of the industry (and thus the fact that many poorer nations have not
> yet been able to purchase sufficient vaccines for their population.) The
> numbers are clear on these vaccines preventing serious illness and death
> with little risk.  And no, the vaccines will not affect our genes.
>
> I hope everyone who is following this will read the link Roberto sent if
> you are wondering about the graphs.  Yes, many elderly and
> immunocompromised people are still dying from the virus.  We have known
> from the start that the vaccine is least effective amongst these people
> though it does offer some protection.  All the more reason for the rest of
> us to get vaccinated to protect them (you can see the effectiveness amongst
> younger people on the graph).  Here’s a sample quote from Roberto’s link
> clarifying your UK info:  “Despite only making up *29%* of the eligible
> population, unvaccinated people make up *48%* of this weeks new cases.”
>
> Chemotherapy is also not always 100% effective in stopping cancer.  I hope
> we won't stop offering it.
>
> And the totalitarianism charge?  We elect people to create and impose laws
> that will protect the common good in balance with limits on our own
> personal freedoms. This includes seatbelts, stop signs, drivers' licenses
> (for which there is a medical test of vision), vaccinations, and countless
> other things that we don't think about most of the time. That’s literally
> their job and we're in the midst of a hiring season (election).  Remember
> when smoking laws were implemented? Totalitarianism!  We can only imagine
> how many lives those laws, not to mention all the required vaccines, have
> saved over the years.
>
> Medical requirements for work are also not new.  For instance I’m sure
> many teachers here will remember the mandatory proof that you were TB free
> before beginning work.  It lasted into the 90s.  Either you showed proof of
> BCG vaccine, or you had to have a chest x-ray or skin test.  Big deal.  It
> kept the kids safe.
>
> Finally, I’m not familiar with the group Ruah but I object to any argument
> that it would be hypocritical for someone who upholds women’s reproductive
> rights to also support a vaccine mandate.  Women are unique and have varied
> opinions on different issues.
>
> The vaccine mandate is about offering each other freedoms and protections
> – to gather, celebrate in person,  send our kids to school, receive the
> medical care that has been set aside while the medical community has been
> overwhelmed by covid care, go out and work, travel, volunteer, worship
> together, sing in choirs, care for our mental health – I could go on and
> on….  We may also have to wear masks for a while too because we want to
> protect the vulnerable for whom the vaccine is less effective.  I'm not
> saying there isn't sacrifice and even some small risk involved, but it's
> worth it.  That’s what the beatitudes are all about.  And Matthew 25.  And,
> well, the gospels as a whole really.
>
> I appreciate your passion about this Arthur.  You've expressed your views
> on the vaccine, and I have too along with others so maybe we bow out and
> let others converse about it if they want?  I just hope anyone here who
> might be debating the issue, or has fears, or who has come across
> misinformation, will go out and talk to your medical doctor about it.
>
> Best,
>
> Cathy
>
> Catherine Cavanagh, D. Min
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:48 AM Roberto via Sundaycommunity <
> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>> Please continue reading in this link the explanations and declaimed of
>> the graphs.
>>
>> https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/vaccine
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 19:10, Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity <
>> sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Data reported in Scotland and UK are quite different from what is
>> reported in Canada.  Find links to source data
>> https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/public-health-england-releases-detailed-vaccine-breakthrough-information/
>>
>>
>> Scotland: 70% of Covid deaths and 58% of hospitalizations are fully
>> vaccinated 05/09/2021
>> <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/scotland-70-of-covid-deaths-and-58-of-hospitalizations-are-fully-vaccinated/>
>> Coronaheadsup.com <https://www.coronaheadsup.com/author/coronaheadsup/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Data from TravellingTabby Scotland Covid dashboard
>> <https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/>*
>>
>>
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