[Sundaycommunity] Why is the Catholic Church so slow to change?

Sat Nov 2 11:15:04 PDT 2024

John

Trans-humanism is a very important issue of our day. The question is how 
far do we go with Trans-humanism.  Do we evolve beyond our binary 
nature.  All mammals on the planet have either xy or yy chromosomes.  Do 
we want to use technology to change that.  Do we want test tube babies 
as in Brave New World.

I agree mostly with your statement.  However there is quite a difference 
between between the valuing of women and promoting puberty blockers and 
mutilation of under age children.  Gender transition is a big money 
maker for big pharma.  There is no turning back. once you transition you 
are dependent on chemicals from big pharma for the rest of your life.

Shouldn't we be teaching our children to love the unique body they were 
born with?  Our evolution is not to transcend our nature but to 
cooperate and improve that nature.

Art

On 11/01/24 8:42 p.m., John MacMillan wrote:
> I'm with Catherine on this. Evolution is still continuing, and we with 
> it.
>
> The diversity of humankind has much to be celebrated. We do much 
> better when we become less judgemental and better at appreciating 
> unique gifts.
> In our day we are on a slow journey to value women in ways that were 
> denied in times past. We've always had people who didn't relate to 
> gender roles and found gender identity an issue for them. They have 
> more mental health issues,since we are such social animals and they 
> don't conform - indeed they are at significantly greater risk of suicide.
>
> Jesus, who consistently favored the poor and the outcast, is our great 
> example. We need to start from every individual bearing the stamp of 
> God, and with that firmly in place we hopefully will be in a better place.
> John
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 4:14 PM Arthur Blomme via Sundaycommunity 
> <sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>
>     Catherine
>
>     I have to agree with Bill on this one.  Throughout my studies in
>     sociology the big question always was can there be social science
>     or was it in the end ideology.  Taking this discussion further I
>     began to question whether medicine was based more on technocratic
>     ideology than science.
>
>     The concept of Gender fluidity is a prime example of an ideology
>     promoting a transhumanist perspective.  It is the role of the
>     wisdom of the Church to protect our families and children from the
>     consequences of this exploitative ideology.
>
>     Art
>
>     On 10/29/24 1:59 p.m., Catherine Walther via Sundaycommunity wrote:
>>     Well Bill, I read the article and I appreciate that you responded
>>     positively to it. And I believe it’s the way the official church
>>     would image itself.
>>     However, in thinking about it Vatican 11 stresses that WE are
>>     Church. And we live in the 21st century, where science now shows
>>     that we are all on a gender fluid spectrum, where social science
>>      , (Vatican 11 included ) believes that people need to
>>     participate, and rule-making and leadership should be not so
>>     hierarchical , where women and men are intellectually, socially,
>>     emotionally, and creatively equal and again mostly on a spectrum.
>>     Science also teaches us that we humans are part of the Earth
>>     community and not separate from it.
>>     All of these and probably many other understandings today that
>>     don’t come readily to mind, show where the old ocean liner is
>>     fast leaking and better start filling in the holes before it
>>     sinks completely.
>>     The Holy Spirit,  or Great Spirit, or whatever name we use for
>>     God is fast working, inspiring and creating small Christian
>>     communities that are egalitarian, non-clerical, where sharing
>>     together how God is working in their lives, where meditation,
>>     bible studies and spirituality book studies enliven the members’
>>     faith and help them to  “Act justly,  love mercy, and walk humbly
>>     with their God. “ and, as the essence of Jesus teaching says,”
>>     Love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.”  There’s not much
>>     about big institutions, traditions or ocean liners in those
>>     teachings.
>>     Love the dialogue, Catherine
>>
>>     When life wins there will be no losers. A'Ida Shibli
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 12:49 PM William Watson via
>>     Sundaycommunity <sundaycommunity at lists.integralshift.ca> wrote:
>>
>>         I like this article on why the Catholic Church moves so
>>         slowly, like a large ocean liner (not the Titanic!) coursing
>>         through rough seas.
>>
>>         Bill
>>
>>
>>         https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/why-so-slow-to-change.php
>>
>>         Sent from my I-Phone
>>
>>         William J. Watson, MD,
>>
>>
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